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i do not think he should have
John did stick up for Elizabeth. On page 74, when Cheever wants to take Elizabeth away.
I think he should have said something earlier because he only said it when his wife was accused.
Why is Hale acting this way, with this specific situation? He knows that it wasn't Elizabeth so what is stopping him from being honest. Or at least giving Elizabeth the security that he was on her side with the situation.
I think it does matter that Abigail is the niece of reverend Parris because Parris is supposed to be the trustworthy, and honest person in the town.
I agree I think he should have said it earlier because if he said it earlier then this entire crisis may have been avoided.
I agree with the inner circle in response to Caleb's question. I think that Elizabeth went so willingly because it would make her seem less guilty if she didn't put up a fight. She would appear innocent, as she was, because she showed that she had nothing to hide by willingly going.
I think Elizabeth gave up a little for trying to defend her self at the house. She knew it would not be worth fighting then so she just went away. So i don't think she really wanted to go. She was just thinking logically.
--Rev. hale was afraid to show that he was just a man. but jonh should have held on to what happend with abby
Do you think Hale knows that these women are going to be hung, or is he really concerned?
Are the fears and motivations of the characters justified?
I agree with greg because you would think that since she lived under the same roof she would act in the same manner as reverend parrisI think that the fear and motivation is not justified because they are using witchccraft as a scapegoat
Not really for example the Putnam's blame all their midwives of killing their children before they are born. Abigail is afraid of being called a witch for her dancing in the woods, so she calls others witches.
i dont think hale really cares about the people that are going to be hung because he doesnt really know the people so he doesnt have feelings for them.
I think Hale knows that these women are going to be hung, but I don't think he is very concerned. He seems like the type of person who just goes by what he believes is the "law" because he believes it's what God wants him to do.
I think that hale knows that these women are going to be hung, but he is too worried about his image as a reverend to help the women that are innocent.
I don't think hale cares about the people who are going to be hanged except rebecca nurse because of her past history of doing good deeds
I feel like all the characters only fear getting caught even if they are innocent. Obviously from Elizabeth's side, most of the town knows she couldn't do something like that. People are beginning to realize that the justice system is a little off.
What kind of man is John Proctor?
I don't think they are justified either because they are all blaming people who have ever done them wrong. They are scapegoating, just like Grace said.
I think that everyone wants them to hang because of there actions in the woods and how everyone is supposed to be holy and follow the church
John Proctor is a man who has made mistakes and seems to be trying to fix them, but he can't seem to forget his past.
I think that the fears of the characters are justified to a certain degree, but I do not think that many of the motivations are. I think the fears are justified because they are afraid of what is to come in Salem. And those being accused will be hung if they are found guilty. So in that case I think that the fears are justified. I do not think that many of the motivations are justified however. I think that in many cases the motivations behind the accusations are to keep their own name pure. For example, at the end of Act 1 when Abigail and the other girls claim to have seen all the other women with the Devil. They were saying that to keep their own names clean.
No, there were no accusations made before Hale showed up. Once he arrived and suggested certain events that may have occurred then people started making the accusations. The only reason that they are making accusations is because hale suggested that certain events may be happening.
I agree with Jamie. It seems like everyone is worried about being called out for witchcraft. They wonder what they have done to upset someone. It seems they don't want to do wrong so they don't get called out
But elizabeth never danced in the forest so what about her?
i agree with Taylor, she also had not wanted to make a bigger scene then had already.--Jonh has the power to bring Abby down but he has to take himself as well, but he has more power then Abby.
Based on what Kayla said about Abigail's reasons-what's this say about fear? Do the people of the town live out of fear?
John Proctor is the type of man who will do anything for justice. Even though he hasn't been the ideal Puritan, he is the only one keeping the Puritan values during this time.
Reverend Parris won't tell anyone that Abigail said there was no witchcraft performed but if he did he would ruin the respect of her name and his own.
I agree abigail has a lot of power in the toown. She is very controlling over her friends. On pg. (19) at the very top it shows the power that she has over her friends.
I agree with Brett becuase once Hale showed up, it showed the people that this wasn't just a game any more and now people are going to be hanged.
Proctor is trying to change what he has done but he doesnt have enough inner strength to forget about the past. and if he cant control his past, how will the future be for him?
to give them peace of mind and to help themselves as well
Is vengeance alive in Salem? The fact that anyone can blame anyone, with no proof is ludicrous. Yet, why does it happen?
Rev. parris wants to blame someone except his own namesake.
Do you guys believe that Abigail will harm Mary Warren if she confesses to the acts in the forest?
I agree with nick, if proctor cant let go of his past he will get no where in the future.
Jessica makes a good point about how Abigail used accusations as an easy scapegoat. It was a good way for her to get back at anyone she wanted and by going to such extremes people were more likely to take her seriously.
This is just like white lies--they start small, then become bigger and more serious.
I think people in the town do live out of fear because if accused with witchcraft they have to lie about being a witch or hang
Absolutely I think people live in fear. They fear being accused of witchcraft. They fear being around witchcraft. They fear believing in witchcraft.
no one wants to be blamed for anything, so they are using scapegoats to draw attention away from themselves
People blame other people to save themselves from their own possible punishment and they push so far that they can't back out of their accusations.
From seeing Johns reaction, no I don't think that everyone basses there lives off of fear. John was not afraid to confess to what happened out of the love he does have for his wife. So is it more of a want than a fear.
Fear has become a major scapegoat for these people. and it still is
I believe that vengeance is alive in Salem. Look at Abigail and Elizabeth. Abigail has had this revenge mind-set on Elizabeth since the affair with John. But obviously Elizabeth is innocent.
If you live a good Puritan life, and your salvation is pretermined -what's that say about you if you admit to witchcraft? Would you rather die a martyr or live as a coward?
How can these people claim to be so religious but live in fear?? Also, isn't lying a sin?Question: Why is Rev Hale allowed to read but not the other citizens?
It says that people would rather live as cowards and will confess to being a witch even if it means they spend the rest of their lives in a prison. They would rather live the rest of their lives in a prison rather than dying the next day. More people fear death than love their own values.
I believe that some people will look out for only their own skins but people like rebecca or elizabeth will save many lives because i do not think they will accuse anyone else of witchcraft
The people definently live in fear because they are constantly worried about doing things right regarding there religion.
because he was a "man of God"
I would rather die a martyr, but I think that all depends on your faith and if you fear death.
Do you think Mary Warren has a plan with Abagail to get Elizabeth hanged? Since Mary works in the court.
If you admit to something that you know is not true and you get away with it you are a coward because you do not have the guts to say the truth
I agree with Emily, just because people are different and don't believe exactly in what you do, or what you were raised to know doesn't mean they should be that much more accused.
well the only person that would know that you lied to save yourself would be you. So if someone can live with that no one else would know and you wouldn't be thought of differently.
what are some of the reasons for the hysteria? (Think about past disputes that could lead to motivations later)
i agree with matt because if they do something bad, they dont just get a smack on the hand, they are whipped or something close to that. so the people are afraid of their religion.
I think that the Puritan views on religion kind of play into today's society. The Puritans appear to think that they are better than others because of their religious beliefs and such. Well in today's society this plays a role as well. Whether it has to do with religion or social class, people look down on others because of what they do or don't have and also what they do or don't believe.
Why isn't Mary Warren trying to defend Elizabeth, since she is friends with both Elizabeth and Abigail.
I think mary warren does not intentionally have a relationship with abigail. i think that since abigail sits next to mary warren during the trials that she can keep an eye out and then report evidence of witchcraft that elizabeth might have in her house.
Bryce: Yes, I think so. I think that Tituba did the same thing almost with telling Parris that the devil wants he to kill him. I think it's a threat.
I think how you die goes along with religion. Because it's your choice, and only you know what you want to happen.
Mary Warren is terrified of Abigail because of Abigail's threat to kill anyone who talks about the acts in the forest
The affair between Proctor and Abigail is the reason why Elizabeth is charged with being a witch. the Putnam's blame Sarah Good and Sarah Osburn for the deaths of all their children.
marry warren may be very fearful of the power abby holds. marry is trieng to hold her innocence on both sides to both people. she is trieng to stay on everybodys good side
Ashley- It almost seemed that when Tituba was saying the words from the devil, It came off on me like those were the words she has always wanted to say to Rev. Paris
I think in this town you have to look deeper in a person then their pride. From what i have read these people walk the street with there heads up and looking like they don't have a problem. There standers were so high. In a way i guess you can relate this to high school.
Greg: I think it's because she is friends with both of them and is scared to pick a side. And honestly, I would be afraid of Abigail to.
But maybe Abligail is using Mary to get to Elizabeth because through using Mary it would be easier to get the blame off herself.
the important thing to remember is that no matter what the situation there will be fear and reason to accuse another person instead of themselves for what has happens.
I agree with Hillary. In the high standard of living in Puritan life, it is easy for people to be hypocrites because they focus so much on "being perfect" and this gives people reason to lie because they are worried about what other people in their society will think.
did marry make the poppet out of fear of abby? does this make marry innocent
Do you think Hale is changing? Is he figuring out the hypocrisy that possibly exists?
i think that fear lead to hysteria in the town. People who have sinned can now blame it on other people and say they have lived a perfect life.
Should proctor sacrifice his reputation to get back at Abigail? Is it worth it to his wife? Will this prove his love?
Here is something to think about do you think hale is as knowledgeable as he is made out to be? Does he really have ways to scare the devil out of you?
I agree with Ashley that Abigail is using other people as shields in order to stay under the radar
I agree with the middle circle. Abigail set up Mary Warren to screw up the life of Elizabeth. Because Abigail could really care less for Elizabeth, and Mary is always around her.
Do you think Mary Warren will go to court with John to defend Elizabeth? Or defend Abagail?
marry is trieng to stay neutral by being the protagonist on both sides to elizibeth and abby. that is why she wont charge murder on abby
die a martyr. An example of an extreme martyr is Elizabeth. She is fully aware that she may be killed but if standing up for herself she lets people know that there wasn't a doubt in her mind about her belief system. She knew she had nothing to hide, and so did everyone else.
I think that hale is making up most of it because he is even shocked at some points during these accusations for example when rebecca nurse is accused of witchcraft
I think the poppet scene was all played out. I think that Abigail put the needle in the poppet then purposely fell over at dinner to make a scene.
I think that Mary Warren will defend Abigail out of fear
I don't think Hale is figuring out the hypocrisy of these accusations yet because when someone is suspected he goes to their home and asking if they can recite their commandments. I don't think hale is as knowledgeable as the town is made out to be but because of the fear of the town he could say anything incriminating and they will believe it.
Grace: I agree with you. I think that all the girls will stick up for her in spite of fear.
Should John Proctor stand up for Abigail or Elizabeth?
Let's talk a little about John Proctor...
I think that John will stand up for elizabeth because he feels guilty for the affair with abigail
I agree with Ashley, Abigail is out to get Elizabeth and won't stop until she's dead. Mary seemed very suspicious when she gave Elizabeth the poppet. This seemed very strange to me.
John Proctor is a very intelligent man. He looks for the deeper meaning and reasoning. He questions unlike the other citizens.
I think John Proctor is a honest man and is not afraid to stand up for the truth and against the church. Unlike everyone else he is not afraid to ask questions.
john is two faced....he is trieng to stay proffessional but at the same time he is a sinner(affair).
Grace-even if that means he will be exposed?
I agree with Grace. plus its his wife so he should either way
Why is john proctor ok with questioning the church, its the center of the town. He reminds me of a rebel that doesn't care what people think about him. He just sticks out because he is different than the whole town. His pride is the only one in the town worth trusting even if he made a mistake.
john proctor has i think the right idea, ask questions about what he is unsure about. his character is that of a good man, he was willing to make his name in the town a bad name to save his wife.
it may seem weird but in my opinion John is one of the most down to earth characters in the story. John is not afraid to tell people the truth of the matter and a lot of the time, things that everyone else is afraid to say.
I agree with Grace, but I think it will be hard for him because he still has feelings for Abigail although he tries not too.
How is Proctor a man who defies tradition? Is he still a good man?
Hillary makes a very good point about how John Proctor doesn't take things at face value. He stays level headed, and though he has made mistakes, he is still a good man. His mistakes almost bring things back into perspective showing that no one is perfect. I think there are admiral qualities in John Proctor, though he is a sinner and he isn't perfect.
I agree Jamie. I think he has been through a lot, but he's come out of that a better person because he realizes his mistakes.
Proctor is torn between two situations. On one hand he wants to protect himself, but on the other hand if he goes to court and calls out Abigail the town will be better off. Proctors way of staying involved is asking questions about the conclusions that Hale has drawn. I think Proctor should go to court and tell everyone what he knows. He is not the only one who has sinned in this community.
I respect John Proctor because he is one of the only people who takes the blame for himself, he doesn't look for others to blame.
I think John Proctor is the only sensible one in the town at this point. He doesn't suspect witchcraft and keeps asking questions the trials and asks Where the proof is. He doesn't believe reverend Parris or Abigail and constantly questions Parris. He said that the reverend preached that he need golden candlesticks on page 63 in the school book.
Why is it that John is the only person who sees behind what's happening in the trials? He is the one who questions the "proof".
John Proctor wants to be cleansed of his sins and as of right now, he is the only one who seems to be keeping good values/morals.
Do you think the Putnam's should take more credit for there own actions? Should they stop blaming everyone else for there own problems?
I think he's the only one who questions the proof because he is the only one not afraid to go against the church because he already doesnt like reverand parris.
I think that Rev Hale knows what's going on, he knows the truth, but the situation is in to deep to deny it.
I think because they don't know what's going on they have to blame others. Even though we know in this time it's not fair.